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Deletion of copy-ctor & copy-assignment - public, private or protected?



2019 Community Moderator ElectionWhat are the differences between a pointer variable and a reference variable in C++?What is the difference between public, protected, package-private and private in Java?In C#, what is the difference between public, private, protected, and having no access modifier?Difference between private, public, and protected inheritanceWhat is the copy-and-swap idiom?What is The Rule of Three?What are the basic rules and idioms for operator overloading?Why should C++ programmers minimize use of 'new'?Replacing a 32-bit loop counter with 64-bit introduces crazy performance deviationsDefault move constructor/assignment and deleted copy constructor/assignment










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In order to make an object non-copiable we can explicitly delete both its copy-constructor and copy-assignment operator.



My question is: What is the right place to do it - in the public, private or protected section of the class? And - does this choice make any difference?










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In order to make an object non-copiable we can explicitly delete both its copy-constructor and copy-assignment operator.



My question is: What is the right place to do it - in the public, private or protected section of the class? And - does this choice make any difference?










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  • If you throw your old shoes away, do you think about where to store them?

    – Klaus
    13 hours ago






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    @Klaus: No, but you think about where to throw them...

    – einpoklum
    11 hours ago













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In order to make an object non-copiable we can explicitly delete both its copy-constructor and copy-assignment operator.



My question is: What is the right place to do it - in the public, private or protected section of the class? And - does this choice make any difference?










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In order to make an object non-copiable we can explicitly delete both its copy-constructor and copy-assignment operator.



My question is: What is the right place to do it - in the public, private or protected section of the class? And - does this choice make any difference?







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  • If you throw your old shoes away, do you think about where to store them?

    – Klaus
    13 hours ago






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    @Klaus: No, but you think about where to throw them...

    – einpoklum
    11 hours ago

















  • If you throw your old shoes away, do you think about where to store them?

    – Klaus
    13 hours ago






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    @Klaus: No, but you think about where to throw them...

    – einpoklum
    11 hours ago
















If you throw your old shoes away, do you think about where to store them?

– Klaus
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If you throw your old shoes away, do you think about where to store them?

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13 hours ago




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@Klaus: No, but you think about where to throw them...

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what is the right place to do it - in the public, private or protected section of the class?




I would put them in the public section.



This is because deleting a constructor or an assignment operator is orthogonal to making them private / protected; and when these aren't deleted, they are public. Putting the deletions in one of those two sections seems to me like hinting "If I hadn't deleted them, I would have made them private/protected" - which is not a message you want to convey in your case.



Note, though, that the compiler doesn't care which section you put the deletion in.






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    Exactly this. Back in the day we made these things private specifically to deny folks access to them, but this was always a hack and was only because we couldn't delete them. That consideration is no longer in play. I don't remember whether the "copy constructor is private" diagnostic tends to take precedence over the "copy constructor is deleted" diagnostic (I doubt it) but even if it doesn't changing the access level is not the right thing to do for the reasons you give.

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    6 hours ago











  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit I know I've seen some compilers give both errors when a function is private and deleted. The one about private access becomes just extra noise.

    – aschepler
    1 hour ago











  • @aschepler Fair does

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    1 hour ago











  • @aschepler: Examples?

    – einpoklum
    1 hour ago











  • gcc 7.4, but not gcc 8.1: godbolt.org/z/udzwB2 (so I guess they improved that).

    – aschepler
    50 mins ago


















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Does where we put the deleted definition make any difference?




From a pure language standpoint it makes absolutely zero difference. Name lookup and overload resolution happen before access checking. And attempting to refer to a deleted function at the end of overload resolution makes your program ill-formed, period. A compiler may or may not issue another diagnostic about the accessibility, but the program already has an error that must be reported.



So you can put that deleted definition with whatever accessibility you desire. I think most will keep it private, to be inline with the "old" practice of making a class non-copyable (put the declaration of those members in the private section of the class, and not define them), if only to help those who know the old ways "get it" sooner. A mixture of idioms, if you would.



Marking as private is also something you can't avoid if you need to support both C++03 and C++11 mode. With the help of a macro, a header can be made to conform to both standards easily:



#if __cplusplus >= 201103L
#define DELETED_DEFINITION = delete
#else
#define DELETED_DEFINITION
#endif

class noncopyable
private:
// This header can be compiled as both C++11 and C++03
noncopyable(noncopyable const&) DELETED_DEFINITION;
void operator=(noncopyable const&) DELETED_DEFINITION;
;





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  • If you want backwards compatibility then this is a must.

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    6 hours ago


















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From Scott Meyers's book, Effective Modern C++ (Item 10), it seems that it is better to define them as public:




By convention, deleted functions are declared public, not private.
There’s a reason for that. When client code tries to use a member
function, C++ checks accessibility before deleted status. When client
code tries to use a deleted private function, some compilers complain
only about the function being private, even though the function’s
accessibility doesn’t really affect whether it can be used. It’s worth
bearing this in mind when revising legacy code to replace
private-and-not-defined member functions with deleted ones, because
making the new functions public will generally result in better error
messages.







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what is the right place to do it - in the public, private or protected section of the class?




I would put them in the public section.



This is because deleting a constructor or an assignment operator is orthogonal to making them private / protected; and when these aren't deleted, they are public. Putting the deletions in one of those two sections seems to me like hinting "If I hadn't deleted them, I would have made them private/protected" - which is not a message you want to convey in your case.



Note, though, that the compiler doesn't care which section you put the deletion in.






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  • 2





    Exactly this. Back in the day we made these things private specifically to deny folks access to them, but this was always a hack and was only because we couldn't delete them. That consideration is no longer in play. I don't remember whether the "copy constructor is private" diagnostic tends to take precedence over the "copy constructor is deleted" diagnostic (I doubt it) but even if it doesn't changing the access level is not the right thing to do for the reasons you give.

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    6 hours ago











  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit I know I've seen some compilers give both errors when a function is private and deleted. The one about private access becomes just extra noise.

    – aschepler
    1 hour ago











  • @aschepler Fair does

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    1 hour ago











  • @aschepler: Examples?

    – einpoklum
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  • gcc 7.4, but not gcc 8.1: godbolt.org/z/udzwB2 (so I guess they improved that).

    – aschepler
    50 mins ago















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what is the right place to do it - in the public, private or protected section of the class?




I would put them in the public section.



This is because deleting a constructor or an assignment operator is orthogonal to making them private / protected; and when these aren't deleted, they are public. Putting the deletions in one of those two sections seems to me like hinting "If I hadn't deleted them, I would have made them private/protected" - which is not a message you want to convey in your case.



Note, though, that the compiler doesn't care which section you put the deletion in.






share|improve this answer




















  • 2





    Exactly this. Back in the day we made these things private specifically to deny folks access to them, but this was always a hack and was only because we couldn't delete them. That consideration is no longer in play. I don't remember whether the "copy constructor is private" diagnostic tends to take precedence over the "copy constructor is deleted" diagnostic (I doubt it) but even if it doesn't changing the access level is not the right thing to do for the reasons you give.

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    6 hours ago











  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit I know I've seen some compilers give both errors when a function is private and deleted. The one about private access becomes just extra noise.

    – aschepler
    1 hour ago











  • @aschepler Fair does

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    1 hour ago











  • @aschepler: Examples?

    – einpoklum
    1 hour ago











  • gcc 7.4, but not gcc 8.1: godbolt.org/z/udzwB2 (so I guess they improved that).

    – aschepler
    50 mins ago













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what is the right place to do it - in the public, private or protected section of the class?




I would put them in the public section.



This is because deleting a constructor or an assignment operator is orthogonal to making them private / protected; and when these aren't deleted, they are public. Putting the deletions in one of those two sections seems to me like hinting "If I hadn't deleted them, I would have made them private/protected" - which is not a message you want to convey in your case.



Note, though, that the compiler doesn't care which section you put the deletion in.






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what is the right place to do it - in the public, private or protected section of the class?




I would put them in the public section.



This is because deleting a constructor or an assignment operator is orthogonal to making them private / protected; and when these aren't deleted, they are public. Putting the deletions in one of those two sections seems to me like hinting "If I hadn't deleted them, I would have made them private/protected" - which is not a message you want to convey in your case.



Note, though, that the compiler doesn't care which section you put the deletion in.







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    Exactly this. Back in the day we made these things private specifically to deny folks access to them, but this was always a hack and was only because we couldn't delete them. That consideration is no longer in play. I don't remember whether the "copy constructor is private" diagnostic tends to take precedence over the "copy constructor is deleted" diagnostic (I doubt it) but even if it doesn't changing the access level is not the right thing to do for the reasons you give.

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    6 hours ago











  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit I know I've seen some compilers give both errors when a function is private and deleted. The one about private access becomes just extra noise.

    – aschepler
    1 hour ago











  • @aschepler Fair does

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    1 hour ago











  • @aschepler: Examples?

    – einpoklum
    1 hour ago











  • gcc 7.4, but not gcc 8.1: godbolt.org/z/udzwB2 (so I guess they improved that).

    – aschepler
    50 mins ago












  • 2





    Exactly this. Back in the day we made these things private specifically to deny folks access to them, but this was always a hack and was only because we couldn't delete them. That consideration is no longer in play. I don't remember whether the "copy constructor is private" diagnostic tends to take precedence over the "copy constructor is deleted" diagnostic (I doubt it) but even if it doesn't changing the access level is not the right thing to do for the reasons you give.

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    6 hours ago











  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit I know I've seen some compilers give both errors when a function is private and deleted. The one about private access becomes just extra noise.

    – aschepler
    1 hour ago











  • @aschepler Fair does

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    1 hour ago











  • @aschepler: Examples?

    – einpoklum
    1 hour ago











  • gcc 7.4, but not gcc 8.1: godbolt.org/z/udzwB2 (so I guess they improved that).

    – aschepler
    50 mins ago







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Exactly this. Back in the day we made these things private specifically to deny folks access to them, but this was always a hack and was only because we couldn't delete them. That consideration is no longer in play. I don't remember whether the "copy constructor is private" diagnostic tends to take precedence over the "copy constructor is deleted" diagnostic (I doubt it) but even if it doesn't changing the access level is not the right thing to do for the reasons you give.

– Lightness Races in Orbit
6 hours ago





Exactly this. Back in the day we made these things private specifically to deny folks access to them, but this was always a hack and was only because we couldn't delete them. That consideration is no longer in play. I don't remember whether the "copy constructor is private" diagnostic tends to take precedence over the "copy constructor is deleted" diagnostic (I doubt it) but even if it doesn't changing the access level is not the right thing to do for the reasons you give.

– Lightness Races in Orbit
6 hours ago













@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know I've seen some compilers give both errors when a function is private and deleted. The one about private access becomes just extra noise.

– aschepler
1 hour ago





@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know I've seen some compilers give both errors when a function is private and deleted. The one about private access becomes just extra noise.

– aschepler
1 hour ago













@aschepler Fair does

– Lightness Races in Orbit
1 hour ago





@aschepler Fair does

– Lightness Races in Orbit
1 hour ago













@aschepler: Examples?

– einpoklum
1 hour ago





@aschepler: Examples?

– einpoklum
1 hour ago













gcc 7.4, but not gcc 8.1: godbolt.org/z/udzwB2 (so I guess they improved that).

– aschepler
50 mins ago





gcc 7.4, but not gcc 8.1: godbolt.org/z/udzwB2 (so I guess they improved that).

– aschepler
50 mins ago













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Does where we put the deleted definition make any difference?




From a pure language standpoint it makes absolutely zero difference. Name lookup and overload resolution happen before access checking. And attempting to refer to a deleted function at the end of overload resolution makes your program ill-formed, period. A compiler may or may not issue another diagnostic about the accessibility, but the program already has an error that must be reported.



So you can put that deleted definition with whatever accessibility you desire. I think most will keep it private, to be inline with the "old" practice of making a class non-copyable (put the declaration of those members in the private section of the class, and not define them), if only to help those who know the old ways "get it" sooner. A mixture of idioms, if you would.



Marking as private is also something you can't avoid if you need to support both C++03 and C++11 mode. With the help of a macro, a header can be made to conform to both standards easily:



#if __cplusplus >= 201103L
#define DELETED_DEFINITION = delete
#else
#define DELETED_DEFINITION
#endif

class noncopyable
private:
// This header can be compiled as both C++11 and C++03
noncopyable(noncopyable const&) DELETED_DEFINITION;
void operator=(noncopyable const&) DELETED_DEFINITION;
;





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  • If you want backwards compatibility then this is a must.

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    6 hours ago















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Does where we put the deleted definition make any difference?




From a pure language standpoint it makes absolutely zero difference. Name lookup and overload resolution happen before access checking. And attempting to refer to a deleted function at the end of overload resolution makes your program ill-formed, period. A compiler may or may not issue another diagnostic about the accessibility, but the program already has an error that must be reported.



So you can put that deleted definition with whatever accessibility you desire. I think most will keep it private, to be inline with the "old" practice of making a class non-copyable (put the declaration of those members in the private section of the class, and not define them), if only to help those who know the old ways "get it" sooner. A mixture of idioms, if you would.



Marking as private is also something you can't avoid if you need to support both C++03 and C++11 mode. With the help of a macro, a header can be made to conform to both standards easily:



#if __cplusplus >= 201103L
#define DELETED_DEFINITION = delete
#else
#define DELETED_DEFINITION
#endif

class noncopyable
private:
// This header can be compiled as both C++11 and C++03
noncopyable(noncopyable const&) DELETED_DEFINITION;
void operator=(noncopyable const&) DELETED_DEFINITION;
;





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  • If you want backwards compatibility then this is a must.

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    6 hours ago













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Does where we put the deleted definition make any difference?




From a pure language standpoint it makes absolutely zero difference. Name lookup and overload resolution happen before access checking. And attempting to refer to a deleted function at the end of overload resolution makes your program ill-formed, period. A compiler may or may not issue another diagnostic about the accessibility, but the program already has an error that must be reported.



So you can put that deleted definition with whatever accessibility you desire. I think most will keep it private, to be inline with the "old" practice of making a class non-copyable (put the declaration of those members in the private section of the class, and not define them), if only to help those who know the old ways "get it" sooner. A mixture of idioms, if you would.



Marking as private is also something you can't avoid if you need to support both C++03 and C++11 mode. With the help of a macro, a header can be made to conform to both standards easily:



#if __cplusplus >= 201103L
#define DELETED_DEFINITION = delete
#else
#define DELETED_DEFINITION
#endif

class noncopyable
private:
// This header can be compiled as both C++11 and C++03
noncopyable(noncopyable const&) DELETED_DEFINITION;
void operator=(noncopyable const&) DELETED_DEFINITION;
;





share|improve this answer
















Does where we put the deleted definition make any difference?




From a pure language standpoint it makes absolutely zero difference. Name lookup and overload resolution happen before access checking. And attempting to refer to a deleted function at the end of overload resolution makes your program ill-formed, period. A compiler may or may not issue another diagnostic about the accessibility, but the program already has an error that must be reported.



So you can put that deleted definition with whatever accessibility you desire. I think most will keep it private, to be inline with the "old" practice of making a class non-copyable (put the declaration of those members in the private section of the class, and not define them), if only to help those who know the old ways "get it" sooner. A mixture of idioms, if you would.



Marking as private is also something you can't avoid if you need to support both C++03 and C++11 mode. With the help of a macro, a header can be made to conform to both standards easily:



#if __cplusplus >= 201103L
#define DELETED_DEFINITION = delete
#else
#define DELETED_DEFINITION
#endif

class noncopyable
private:
// This header can be compiled as both C++11 and C++03
noncopyable(noncopyable const&) DELETED_DEFINITION;
void operator=(noncopyable const&) DELETED_DEFINITION;
;






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  • If you want backwards compatibility then this is a must.

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    6 hours ago

















  • If you want backwards compatibility then this is a must.

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    6 hours ago
















If you want backwards compatibility then this is a must.

– Lightness Races in Orbit
6 hours ago





If you want backwards compatibility then this is a must.

– Lightness Races in Orbit
6 hours ago











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From Scott Meyers's book, Effective Modern C++ (Item 10), it seems that it is better to define them as public:




By convention, deleted functions are declared public, not private.
There’s a reason for that. When client code tries to use a member
function, C++ checks accessibility before deleted status. When client
code tries to use a deleted private function, some compilers complain
only about the function being private, even though the function’s
accessibility doesn’t really affect whether it can be used. It’s worth
bearing this in mind when revising legacy code to replace
private-and-not-defined member functions with deleted ones, because
making the new functions public will generally result in better error
messages.







share|improve this answer

























  • Meyers contradicts StoryTeller's answer, and my tests. It's still good advice, but I find einpoklum's reasoning to be superior.

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    1 hour ago
















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From Scott Meyers's book, Effective Modern C++ (Item 10), it seems that it is better to define them as public:




By convention, deleted functions are declared public, not private.
There’s a reason for that. When client code tries to use a member
function, C++ checks accessibility before deleted status. When client
code tries to use a deleted private function, some compilers complain
only about the function being private, even though the function’s
accessibility doesn’t really affect whether it can be used. It’s worth
bearing this in mind when revising legacy code to replace
private-and-not-defined member functions with deleted ones, because
making the new functions public will generally result in better error
messages.







share|improve this answer

























  • Meyers contradicts StoryTeller's answer, and my tests. It's still good advice, but I find einpoklum's reasoning to be superior.

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    1 hour ago














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2







From Scott Meyers's book, Effective Modern C++ (Item 10), it seems that it is better to define them as public:




By convention, deleted functions are declared public, not private.
There’s a reason for that. When client code tries to use a member
function, C++ checks accessibility before deleted status. When client
code tries to use a deleted private function, some compilers complain
only about the function being private, even though the function’s
accessibility doesn’t really affect whether it can be used. It’s worth
bearing this in mind when revising legacy code to replace
private-and-not-defined member functions with deleted ones, because
making the new functions public will generally result in better error
messages.







share|improve this answer















From Scott Meyers's book, Effective Modern C++ (Item 10), it seems that it is better to define them as public:




By convention, deleted functions are declared public, not private.
There’s a reason for that. When client code tries to use a member
function, C++ checks accessibility before deleted status. When client
code tries to use a deleted private function, some compilers complain
only about the function being private, even though the function’s
accessibility doesn’t really affect whether it can be used. It’s worth
bearing this in mind when revising legacy code to replace
private-and-not-defined member functions with deleted ones, because
making the new functions public will generally result in better error
messages.








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    – Lightness Races in Orbit
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  • Meyers contradicts StoryTeller's answer, and my tests. It's still good advice, but I find einpoklum's reasoning to be superior.

    – Lightness Races in Orbit
    1 hour ago

















Meyers contradicts StoryTeller's answer, and my tests. It's still good advice, but I find einpoklum's reasoning to be superior.

– Lightness Races in Orbit
1 hour ago






Meyers contradicts StoryTeller's answer, and my tests. It's still good advice, but I find einpoklum's reasoning to be superior.

– Lightness Races in Orbit
1 hour ago


















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