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The datasheet of TI bq40z50-R2 (Li-Ion Battery Pack Manager) tells that "The SMBus clock and data lines have internal pulldown".



Pin equivalent Diagram is in image below:
Pin equivalent Diagram



Aren't usually the SMBus Data and Clock lines to be connected to pull-up resistors?



I'd like to connect this IC and a Battery Charger IC to same SMBus, but the latter requires pull-up resistors for the SMBus lines.



Would this work anyway?



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    The datasheet of TI bq40z50-R2 (Li-Ion Battery Pack Manager) tells that "The SMBus clock and data lines have internal pulldown".



    Pin equivalent Diagram is in image below:
    Pin equivalent Diagram



    Aren't usually the SMBus Data and Clock lines to be connected to pull-up resistors?



    I'd like to connect this IC and a Battery Charger IC to same SMBus, but the latter requires pull-up resistors for the SMBus lines.



    Would this work anyway?



    Thanks










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      The datasheet of TI bq40z50-R2 (Li-Ion Battery Pack Manager) tells that "The SMBus clock and data lines have internal pulldown".



      Pin equivalent Diagram is in image below:
      Pin equivalent Diagram



      Aren't usually the SMBus Data and Clock lines to be connected to pull-up resistors?



      I'd like to connect this IC and a Battery Charger IC to same SMBus, but the latter requires pull-up resistors for the SMBus lines.



      Would this work anyway?



      Thanks










      share|improve this question









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      The datasheet of TI bq40z50-R2 (Li-Ion Battery Pack Manager) tells that "The SMBus clock and data lines have internal pulldown".



      Pin equivalent Diagram is in image below:
      Pin equivalent Diagram



      Aren't usually the SMBus Data and Clock lines to be connected to pull-up resistors?



      I'd like to connect this IC and a Battery Charger IC to same SMBus, but the latter requires pull-up resistors for the SMBus lines.



      Would this work anyway?



      Thanks







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          The internal pull-downs in question are very weak, 1 MΩ. They are not meant to be "operational", and won't have any effect on normal I2C data transactions when the standard (10k-5k or 2k) pull-ups are attached to the I2C system bus. The reason for weak pull-downs is to provide well-defined bus state during power-on transients, when not all parts of the system are yet powered up.



          The initial state with pull-downs is used by internal logic of the IC, per datasheet P.34:




          When the gas gauge senses that both lines are low (such as during
          removal of the pack),the device performs auto-offset calibration and
          then goes into SLEEP mode to conserve power"







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          The internal pull-downs in question are very weak, 1 MΩ. They are not meant to be "operational", and won't have any effect on normal I2C data transactions when the standard (10k-5k or 2k) pull-ups are attached to the I2C system bus. The reason for weak pull-downs is to provide well-defined bus state during power-on transients, when not all parts of the system are yet powered up.



          The initial state with pull-downs is used by internal logic of the IC, per datasheet P.34:




          When the gas gauge senses that both lines are low (such as during
          removal of the pack),the device performs auto-offset calibration and
          then goes into SLEEP mode to conserve power"







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            Ok, thanks for the explanation!
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            @Transistor, thanks, and don't delete your comment - I will use it as future guide:-)
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          $begingroup$

          The internal pull-downs in question are very weak, 1 MΩ. They are not meant to be "operational", and won't have any effect on normal I2C data transactions when the standard (10k-5k or 2k) pull-ups are attached to the I2C system bus. The reason for weak pull-downs is to provide well-defined bus state during power-on transients, when not all parts of the system are yet powered up.



          The initial state with pull-downs is used by internal logic of the IC, per datasheet P.34:




          When the gas gauge senses that both lines are low (such as during
          removal of the pack),the device performs auto-offset calibration and
          then goes into SLEEP mode to conserve power"







          share|improve this answer











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            Ok, thanks for the explanation!
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            @Transistor, thanks, and don't delete your comment - I will use it as future guide:-)
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          The internal pull-downs in question are very weak, 1 MΩ. They are not meant to be "operational", and won't have any effect on normal I2C data transactions when the standard (10k-5k or 2k) pull-ups are attached to the I2C system bus. The reason for weak pull-downs is to provide well-defined bus state during power-on transients, when not all parts of the system are yet powered up.



          The initial state with pull-downs is used by internal logic of the IC, per datasheet P.34:




          When the gas gauge senses that both lines are low (such as during
          removal of the pack),the device performs auto-offset calibration and
          then goes into SLEEP mode to conserve power"







          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          The internal pull-downs in question are very weak, 1 MΩ. They are not meant to be "operational", and won't have any effect on normal I2C data transactions when the standard (10k-5k or 2k) pull-ups are attached to the I2C system bus. The reason for weak pull-downs is to provide well-defined bus state during power-on transients, when not all parts of the system are yet powered up.



          The initial state with pull-downs is used by internal logic of the IC, per datasheet P.34:




          When the gas gauge senses that both lines are low (such as during
          removal of the pack),the device performs auto-offset calibration and
          then goes into SLEEP mode to conserve power"








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