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Can we cancel the equality mark here?
Unicorn Meta Zoo #1: Why another podcast?
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar ManaraLimit of function as $x toinfty $ when $f'(x)$ is givenProving that $limlimits_ntoinftyint_1^inftyfrac1nxdx neq 0$how to compute this limits given these conditions.How to evaluate the $limlimits_xto 0frac 2sin(x)-arctan(x)-xcos(x^2)x^5$, using power series?Limit of $x(2pi - 4arctan(x))$Can we still use L'Hospital's rule on limit that does not exists?Calculate the limit: $lim_ntoinftyn^2left(left(1+frac1nright)^8-left(1+frac2nright)^4right)$Limit of $dfrace^-1/x^n$ as $xto 0$Show that $limlimits_n to inftysin n^2$ does not exist.How to calculate the limit $limlimits_ntoinfty dfracx_ny_n$ where $0<x_0<y_0<dfracpi2$ and $x_n+1=sinx_n, y_n+1=siny_n$?Why am I computing $lim limits_x to infty x left(arctan fracx+1x+2 -arctan fracxx+2 right)$ wrong?
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Let $f(x)$ satisfy that $f(1)=1$ and $f'(x)=dfrac1x^2+f^2(x)$. Prove that $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)$ exists and is less than $1+dfracpi4.$
Proof
Since $f'(x)=dfrac1x^2+f'(x)>0$, $f(x)$ is strictly increasing. Thus, $f(x)>f(1)=1$ holds for all $x>1$, and $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)$ equals either the positive infinity or some finite value.
Notice that, $forall x>1:$
beginalign*
f(x)-f(1)&=int_1^x f'(t)rm dt=int_1^x frac1t^2+f^2(t)rm dt<int_1^xfrac1t^2+1rm dt=arctan x-fracpi4.
endalign*
Therefore
$$f(x)<arctan x-fracpi4+1<fracpi2-fracpi4+1=1+fracpi4,$$
which implies that $f(x)$ is bounded upward. Thus,$limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)$ exists. Take the limits as $x to +infty$, we have
$limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)leq 1+dfracpi4.$
Can we cancel the equality mark here? In another word, can we obtain $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)<1+dfracpi4$?
calculus ordinary-differential-equations limits
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Let $f(x)$ satisfy that $f(1)=1$ and $f'(x)=dfrac1x^2+f^2(x)$. Prove that $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)$ exists and is less than $1+dfracpi4.$
Proof
Since $f'(x)=dfrac1x^2+f'(x)>0$, $f(x)$ is strictly increasing. Thus, $f(x)>f(1)=1$ holds for all $x>1$, and $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)$ equals either the positive infinity or some finite value.
Notice that, $forall x>1:$
beginalign*
f(x)-f(1)&=int_1^x f'(t)rm dt=int_1^x frac1t^2+f^2(t)rm dt<int_1^xfrac1t^2+1rm dt=arctan x-fracpi4.
endalign*
Therefore
$$f(x)<arctan x-fracpi4+1<fracpi2-fracpi4+1=1+fracpi4,$$
which implies that $f(x)$ is bounded upward. Thus,$limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)$ exists. Take the limits as $x to +infty$, we have
$limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)leq 1+dfracpi4.$
Can we cancel the equality mark here? In another word, can we obtain $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)<1+dfracpi4$?
calculus ordinary-differential-equations limits
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@PeterForeman Sir, $f(x)=-frac1x^2<0$ but $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)=0.$
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Are you asked that the limit is smaller than $1+pi/2$ or than $1+pi/4$?
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@kingW3 No. I just wonder whether the equality with the inequality may hold or not.
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Sorry. A typo in the "problem". Corrected. See the new version.
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Problem
Let $f(x)$ satisfy that $f(1)=1$ and $f'(x)=dfrac1x^2+f^2(x)$. Prove that $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)$ exists and is less than $1+dfracpi4.$
Proof
Since $f'(x)=dfrac1x^2+f'(x)>0$, $f(x)$ is strictly increasing. Thus, $f(x)>f(1)=1$ holds for all $x>1$, and $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)$ equals either the positive infinity or some finite value.
Notice that, $forall x>1:$
beginalign*
f(x)-f(1)&=int_1^x f'(t)rm dt=int_1^x frac1t^2+f^2(t)rm dt<int_1^xfrac1t^2+1rm dt=arctan x-fracpi4.
endalign*
Therefore
$$f(x)<arctan x-fracpi4+1<fracpi2-fracpi4+1=1+fracpi4,$$
which implies that $f(x)$ is bounded upward. Thus,$limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)$ exists. Take the limits as $x to +infty$, we have
$limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)leq 1+dfracpi4.$
Can we cancel the equality mark here? In another word, can we obtain $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)<1+dfracpi4$?
calculus ordinary-differential-equations limits
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Problem
Let $f(x)$ satisfy that $f(1)=1$ and $f'(x)=dfrac1x^2+f^2(x)$. Prove that $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)$ exists and is less than $1+dfracpi4.$
Proof
Since $f'(x)=dfrac1x^2+f'(x)>0$, $f(x)$ is strictly increasing. Thus, $f(x)>f(1)=1$ holds for all $x>1$, and $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)$ equals either the positive infinity or some finite value.
Notice that, $forall x>1:$
beginalign*
f(x)-f(1)&=int_1^x f'(t)rm dt=int_1^x frac1t^2+f^2(t)rm dt<int_1^xfrac1t^2+1rm dt=arctan x-fracpi4.
endalign*
Therefore
$$f(x)<arctan x-fracpi4+1<fracpi2-fracpi4+1=1+fracpi4,$$
which implies that $f(x)$ is bounded upward. Thus,$limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)$ exists. Take the limits as $x to +infty$, we have
$limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)leq 1+dfracpi4.$
Can we cancel the equality mark here? In another word, can we obtain $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)<1+dfracpi4$?
calculus ordinary-differential-equations limits
calculus ordinary-differential-equations limits
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@PeterForeman Sir, $f(x)=-frac1x^2<0$ but $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)=0.$
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Are you asked that the limit is smaller than $1+pi/2$ or than $1+pi/4$?
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@kingW3 No. I just wonder whether the equality with the inequality may hold or not.
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Sorry. A typo in the "problem". Corrected. See the new version.
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@PeterForeman Sir, $f(x)=-frac1x^2<0$ but $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)=0.$
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Are you asked that the limit is smaller than $1+pi/2$ or than $1+pi/4$?
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– kingW3
2 days ago
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@kingW3 No. I just wonder whether the equality with the inequality may hold or not.
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Sorry. A typo in the "problem". Corrected. See the new version.
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@PeterForeman Sir, $f(x)=-frac1x^2<0$ but $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)=0.$
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@PeterForeman Sir, $f(x)=-frac1x^2<0$ but $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)=0.$
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– mengdie1982
2 days ago
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Are you asked that the limit is smaller than $1+pi/2$ or than $1+pi/4$?
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– kingW3
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Are you asked that the limit is smaller than $1+pi/2$ or than $1+pi/4$?
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– kingW3
2 days ago
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@kingW3 No. I just wonder whether the equality with the inequality may hold or not.
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@kingW3 No. I just wonder whether the equality with the inequality may hold or not.
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Sorry. A typo in the "problem". Corrected. See the new version.
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Sorry. A typo in the "problem". Corrected. See the new version.
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The function $$g(x)=int_1^xfrac1t^2+1rm dt-int_1^x frac1t^2+f^2(t)rm dt$$
Is strictly increasing and $g(1)=0<g(2)<g(x)$ for $x>2$ hence $lim_xtoinftyg(x)geq g(2)>0$ so$$lim_xtoinftyg(x)=lim_xtoinfty(fracpi4-(f(x)-1))=lim_xtoinfty(fracpi4+1-f(x))>0$$
So $$lim_xtoinftyf(x)<fracpi4+1$$
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In general, $f(x)>g(x)$ implies $ lim f(x) geq lim g(x)$ not $ lim f(x) > lim g(x)$...
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@mengdie1982 Yeah but I didn't use that in my proof. I've used that $g$ is strictly increasing and that $g(x)>0$ for $x>1$. Using that you could prove $g(2)<g(x)$ for $x>2$ hence $0<lim_xtoinfty g(2) leq lim_xtoinfty g(x)$.
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Fix $M>1$ and for $x>M$ break up your estimate as
$$ f(x)-f(M)<arctan x- arctan M$$
and
$$ f(M)-f(1)<arctan M-fracpi 4,$$
so there is a positive constant (i.e., depending only on $M$, but not on $x$) $delta_M:=arctan M-fracpi 4-f(M)+f(1)$. Then for $x>M$,
$$ f(x)-f(1)=f(x)-f(M)+f(M)-f(1)<arctan x-frac pi 4-delta_M$$
and so
$$ lim_xtoinftyf(x)le 1+fracpi 4-delta_M<1+fracpi 4.$$
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The function $$g(x)=int_1^xfrac1t^2+1rm dt-int_1^x frac1t^2+f^2(t)rm dt$$
Is strictly increasing and $g(1)=0<g(2)<g(x)$ for $x>2$ hence $lim_xtoinftyg(x)geq g(2)>0$ so$$lim_xtoinftyg(x)=lim_xtoinfty(fracpi4-(f(x)-1))=lim_xtoinfty(fracpi4+1-f(x))>0$$
So $$lim_xtoinftyf(x)<fracpi4+1$$
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@mengdie1982 Yeah but I didn't use that in my proof. I've used that $g$ is strictly increasing and that $g(x)>0$ for $x>1$. Using that you could prove $g(2)<g(x)$ for $x>2$ hence $0<lim_xtoinfty g(2) leq lim_xtoinfty g(x)$.
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The function $$g(x)=int_1^xfrac1t^2+1rm dt-int_1^x frac1t^2+f^2(t)rm dt$$
Is strictly increasing and $g(1)=0<g(2)<g(x)$ for $x>2$ hence $lim_xtoinftyg(x)geq g(2)>0$ so$$lim_xtoinftyg(x)=lim_xtoinfty(fracpi4-(f(x)-1))=lim_xtoinfty(fracpi4+1-f(x))>0$$
So $$lim_xtoinftyf(x)<fracpi4+1$$
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In general, $f(x)>g(x)$ implies $ lim f(x) geq lim g(x)$ not $ lim f(x) > lim g(x)$...
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@mengdie1982 Yeah but I didn't use that in my proof. I've used that $g$ is strictly increasing and that $g(x)>0$ for $x>1$. Using that you could prove $g(2)<g(x)$ for $x>2$ hence $0<lim_xtoinfty g(2) leq lim_xtoinfty g(x)$.
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The function $$g(x)=int_1^xfrac1t^2+1rm dt-int_1^x frac1t^2+f^2(t)rm dt$$
Is strictly increasing and $g(1)=0<g(2)<g(x)$ for $x>2$ hence $lim_xtoinftyg(x)geq g(2)>0$ so$$lim_xtoinftyg(x)=lim_xtoinfty(fracpi4-(f(x)-1))=lim_xtoinfty(fracpi4+1-f(x))>0$$
So $$lim_xtoinftyf(x)<fracpi4+1$$
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The function $$g(x)=int_1^xfrac1t^2+1rm dt-int_1^x frac1t^2+f^2(t)rm dt$$
Is strictly increasing and $g(1)=0<g(2)<g(x)$ for $x>2$ hence $lim_xtoinftyg(x)geq g(2)>0$ so$$lim_xtoinftyg(x)=lim_xtoinfty(fracpi4-(f(x)-1))=lim_xtoinfty(fracpi4+1-f(x))>0$$
So $$lim_xtoinftyf(x)<fracpi4+1$$
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@mengdie1982 Yeah but I didn't use that in my proof. I've used that $g$ is strictly increasing and that $g(x)>0$ for $x>1$. Using that you could prove $g(2)<g(x)$ for $x>2$ hence $0<lim_xtoinfty g(2) leq lim_xtoinfty g(x)$.
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In general, $f(x)>g(x)$ implies $ lim f(x) geq lim g(x)$ not $ lim f(x) > lim g(x)$...
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@mengdie1982 Yeah but I didn't use that in my proof. I've used that $g$ is strictly increasing and that $g(x)>0$ for $x>1$. Using that you could prove $g(2)<g(x)$ for $x>2$ hence $0<lim_xtoinfty g(2) leq lim_xtoinfty g(x)$.
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In general, $f(x)>g(x)$ implies $ lim f(x) geq lim g(x)$ not $ lim f(x) > lim g(x)$...
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In general, $f(x)>g(x)$ implies $ lim f(x) geq lim g(x)$ not $ lim f(x) > lim g(x)$...
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– mengdie1982
2 days ago
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@mengdie1982 Yeah but I didn't use that in my proof. I've used that $g$ is strictly increasing and that $g(x)>0$ for $x>1$. Using that you could prove $g(2)<g(x)$ for $x>2$ hence $0<lim_xtoinfty g(2) leq lim_xtoinfty g(x)$.
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@mengdie1982 Yeah but I didn't use that in my proof. I've used that $g$ is strictly increasing and that $g(x)>0$ for $x>1$. Using that you could prove $g(2)<g(x)$ for $x>2$ hence $0<lim_xtoinfty g(2) leq lim_xtoinfty g(x)$.
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Fix $M>1$ and for $x>M$ break up your estimate as
$$ f(x)-f(M)<arctan x- arctan M$$
and
$$ f(M)-f(1)<arctan M-fracpi 4,$$
so there is a positive constant (i.e., depending only on $M$, but not on $x$) $delta_M:=arctan M-fracpi 4-f(M)+f(1)$. Then for $x>M$,
$$ f(x)-f(1)=f(x)-f(M)+f(M)-f(1)<arctan x-frac pi 4-delta_M$$
and so
$$ lim_xtoinftyf(x)le 1+fracpi 4-delta_M<1+fracpi 4.$$
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Fix $M>1$ and for $x>M$ break up your estimate as
$$ f(x)-f(M)<arctan x- arctan M$$
and
$$ f(M)-f(1)<arctan M-fracpi 4,$$
so there is a positive constant (i.e., depending only on $M$, but not on $x$) $delta_M:=arctan M-fracpi 4-f(M)+f(1)$. Then for $x>M$,
$$ f(x)-f(1)=f(x)-f(M)+f(M)-f(1)<arctan x-frac pi 4-delta_M$$
and so
$$ lim_xtoinftyf(x)le 1+fracpi 4-delta_M<1+fracpi 4.$$
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Fix $M>1$ and for $x>M$ break up your estimate as
$$ f(x)-f(M)<arctan x- arctan M$$
and
$$ f(M)-f(1)<arctan M-fracpi 4,$$
so there is a positive constant (i.e., depending only on $M$, but not on $x$) $delta_M:=arctan M-fracpi 4-f(M)+f(1)$. Then for $x>M$,
$$ f(x)-f(1)=f(x)-f(M)+f(M)-f(1)<arctan x-frac pi 4-delta_M$$
and so
$$ lim_xtoinftyf(x)le 1+fracpi 4-delta_M<1+fracpi 4.$$
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Fix $M>1$ and for $x>M$ break up your estimate as
$$ f(x)-f(M)<arctan x- arctan M$$
and
$$ f(M)-f(1)<arctan M-fracpi 4,$$
so there is a positive constant (i.e., depending only on $M$, but not on $x$) $delta_M:=arctan M-fracpi 4-f(M)+f(1)$. Then for $x>M$,
$$ f(x)-f(1)=f(x)-f(M)+f(M)-f(1)<arctan x-frac pi 4-delta_M$$
and so
$$ lim_xtoinftyf(x)le 1+fracpi 4-delta_M<1+fracpi 4.$$
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@PeterForeman Sir, $f(x)=-frac1x^2<0$ but $limlimits_x to +inftyf(x)=0.$
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– mengdie1982
2 days ago
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Are you asked that the limit is smaller than $1+pi/2$ or than $1+pi/4$?
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– kingW3
2 days ago
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@kingW3 No. I just wonder whether the equality with the inequality may hold or not.
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– mengdie1982
2 days ago
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Sorry. A typo in the "problem". Corrected. See the new version.
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– mengdie1982
2 days ago
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Possible duplicate of Limit of function as $x toinfty $ when $f'(x)$ is given
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– LutzL
2 days ago